i then followed this tutorial to create the wheels for the cart.
http://www.designnewz.com/tutorials/3d-studio-max-tutorials/modeling/cart-wheel-p1
i have added a lip to the edge of the wheel by extruding the polygons. so when i skin it properly i can add a metal rim.
i have added a peg to the axle as before there was nothing to stop the wheels falling off (obviously this wouldn't happen I'm just obsessed with silly little details) i did this by creating extra lines using the connect tool and moving them to the end of the axle and using bevel as shown in the images to get the taper.
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